he said that the middle class was crushed under, you know, the policies of obama and biden, and he said some things that were problematic. s however, paul is a smart guy. he has committed his life to understanding the problems of our economy, presenting a plan for the american people, so i think that paul is going to do -- going to do a great job, but i also think it's very important for people to understand, and i think people realize that joe biden is a gifted or ator. he is very good at rhetoric, and i think is he very relatable so i think it's two different people, and i think it's going to be a great night. >> have you talked to ryan at all about his debate performance, what he needs to do, that whole thing? >> sure. paul is one of my very good friends. i talk to paul all the time about a lot of different things, but i think he is taking it very seriously. sure. i think both parties should be nervous. i mean, it's a big night. it's a big -- it's always going to be a big night. >> do you think it makes a difference? there are a lot of people who say, look, the debates are a side sho